Asking Good Questions with Edward Roske

We're Running an AI Experiment on Our Kids | Bivin Sadler

Edward Roske Season 3 Episode 3

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We're running an experiment on our kids. And we won't see the results for about 20 years.

That's Bivin Sadler. He teaches the data scientists at SMU. He's also the dad of an 8-year-old whose default study partner is now an AI.

So which is it? Is Gen AI the best tutor a kid ever had, or the thing that hollows out the ability to think? Bivin says it hangs on whether they learned the first principles first.

His fix for keeping students actually learning, from kindergarten through college, is an 800-year-old idea: the oral exam. The problem was always the math. Thirty students at thirty minutes each doesn't fit in a semester. So Bivin built Elenkis, a voice AI that runs a real oral exam for every student (yes, the AI asks the questions now), and finally makes it work for a whole school.

We get into "trust, but verify" (the same rule he gives his 8-year-old and AT&T's data scientists, which should tell you something) and the stuff you only ever learned by taking the long way around. Plus what actually gets a new grad hired now, which isn't what you'd guess.

Whether you're raising a kid on this stuff or teaching one, stick around for this one.

Asking Good Questions is hosted by Edward Roske. New conversations with the people figuring out the human side of AI. If one of these questions stuck with you, subscribe and send it to someone who'd take the other side.

Bivin joins Edward on stage at the Caribbean AI Summit this October. Come find us: CaribbeanSummit.AI

LINKS
Bivin's book, "Time Series for Data Science: Analysis and Forecasting" (CRC Press): https://www.routledge.com/Time-Series-for-Data-Science-Analysis-and-Forecasting/Woodward-Sadler-Robertson/p/book/9780367543891
Elenkis, Bivin's oral-assessment platform: https://elenkis.com
Caribbean AI Summit (Bivin speaks, Oct 9-10): https://CaribbeanSummit.AI
Bivin Sadler at SMU: https://datascience.smu.edu/about/leadership-and-faculty/bivin-sadler/
Bivin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bivin-sadler/

BOOKS & RESEARCH MENTIONED
"Time Series for Data Science: Analysis and Forecasting" - Wayne Woodward, Bivin Sadler, and Stephen Robertson (Chapman & Hall/CRC, 2022)
UNESCO, "Guidance for generative AI in education and research" (2023)
Ethan Mollick, The Wharton School - his approach to students using AI in class
Khan Academy - Sal Khan's case for an AI tutor for every student
Elenkis - Bivin's platform bringing the oral exam back at scale (elenkis.com)
Also mentioned: SMU's M.S. in Data Science program, and the AT&T data-science bootcamp Bivin helped build

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