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The Only Thing I've Been Seeing Is More Work | Filo Gonzalez

• Edward Roske • Season 3 • Episode 17

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Filo Gonzalez is a forward deployed engineer at Databricks, which means he gets in the room right after somebody sees a slide and says "I want this to happen," and then he makes the slide real (inside companies big enough that the governance team has its own governance team). He trained as a mechatronic engineer because he loved Dexter as a kid, and I pictured Dexter Morgan, the serial killer who kills other serial killers. He meant Dexter's Laboratory. (Edward, a man tells you a cartoon got him into engineering and your first thought is homicide?!?)

Before Databricks he did Azure data and AI work at Microsoft, and before that he consulted for Avianca and for First Medical here in Puerto Rico. His whole approach starts with one line: "a prompt will give you a happy path all the time." It works right up until the live demo, when somebody asks "And what if…" and it falls over, and he says that's still true even if the LLM is AGI, unless the architecture gets better. So he builds an agent whose only job is asking the what-if questions, with a human in the loop.

He also calls it a conflict of interest when a model reviews its own work, which I felt personally, because I have Claude checking Claude (so I've been asking the same guy the same question three times in different agent hats, and I host a show called Asking Good Questions). His fix is making different models argue, inside Omnigent, an open-source project a Databricks team built, where an agent named Polly does the work and one named Debby debates it.

I asked how he gets a company from a vague concept of AI to a live AI app in two weeks, and his method was less magic than I expected (which is why I believe it): once the prerequisites are in place, the customer approves a requirements document and every task gets graded 1 to 10 (a 7 or up gets chopped again before an agent sees it). (Neither of us could say what PRD stands for, so I'm calling it a tie.) He's also seen the one where you fix the formula so the AI says 100, then the customer comes back with "Actually, it was 99, not 100."

Then I asked what he'd tell high schoolers, and he didn't do the reassuring adult thing: "The only thing I've been seeing so far is more work." In his read, companies that let their experts go are finding out it was a mistake, because now somebody has to read 60,000 lines of code. (I said The 4-Hour Workweek came out about 15 years ago. It was 19, which is close enough for a podcast.) My guess is that by next fall, two weeks is on every vendor slide in this business and almost nobody hits it, because they skipped the paperwork. If I'm wrong I'll eat the paperwork in public (I once promised to eat my hat, and paper is a lot easier to eat).

Filo is speaking at the Caribbean AI Summit, October 9-10 in San Juan, on "Ship a Production AI App in Two Weeks." I'll be in the room writing down the parts I've been doing wrong (come copy off me).

I'm Edward Roske, and this is Asking Good Questions. New conversations with the people figuring out the human side of AI. If one of these questions stuck with you, subscribe and send it to someone who'd take the other side.

LINKS
Caribbean AI Summit (Oct 9-10, San Juan): https://CaribbeanSummit.AI
Filo on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/filomeno-gonzalez/
Filo on GitHub: https://github.com/filomeno-gonzalez
Omnigent: https://github.com/omnigent-ai/omnigent
Databricks: https://www.databricks.com

BOOKS & RESEARCH MENTIONED
The 4-Hour Workweek, Tim Ferriss (2007)
"Data Scientist: The Sexiest Job of the 21st Century," Harvard Business Review (2012)
Dexter's Laboratory (Cartoon Network, 1996), and the other Dexter (Showtime, 2006)
Omnigent (Databricks, open source, 2026), home of Polly and Debby
Also mentioned: LangChain Deep Agents, ChatGPT, Claude Code, Gemini, Groq, Codex, GPT-5.6 Sol, Cursor, Pi, MCP, RAG, Genie Agents, Lakebase, Microsoft Copilot

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